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It's About Time - After Months of Threats, Innuendo and vacillating House Panel Votes to Move Toward Impeaching Trump

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After a challenge from a House Republican: "I double dog dare you", The  House Judiciary Committee approved a resolution defining the rules of the panel's impeachment investigation against president Donald Trump.

No more speculation, unsupported allegations or 'wink, wink - nudge, nudge' veiled threats.

The ground work has been set. The Democrats have a house majority, so let the impeachment investigation begin!

If the Democrats can come up with sufficient grounds to impeach president Trump let it be done...

However if this too turns out - like the Muller investigation - to be just another Anti-Trump red herring costing the taxpayers millions of dollars only to reveal there isn't really anything there, in all likelihood I figure the Democrats will be handing the 2020 presidential election to Donald Trump, or at least a GOP nominee and every 2020 Democrat candidate will be trying to distance themselves from the decision to pursue impeachment charges.

CNN:

House panel approves impeachment inquiry parameters as Democrats try to clarify their strategy

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/12/politics/impeachment-investigation-vote-house-judiciary-committee/index.html

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 One might think that having suffered defeat after relentless defeat as a result of  multiple investigations, predicated on allegations of collusion, they would follow the example of Adam "‘Ample evidence of collusion" Schiff  and  crawl into a sound proof crevice and disappear. Ask yourself: when the last time you heard that fool's name on a news program //snicker ha ha.

 This impeachment narrative is nothing more than political theatrics, a life line if you will,  for the sinking hopes of the base to cling to, as we await the 2020 election. 

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Sure nothing to see here

thats why trumps throwing rudy and bar under the bus

and why trump broke the law asking the NRA for a bribe in exchange of no gun legislation.

and of course trying to hide the tape of the call (nixon tried that too)

faling to turn the whisle blower report over to congress for five weeks

A lot of shit bird are fallin out of the tree .

Of course you will keep defending him, hell youd blame the child if he raped a 8 year old on national TV

ya alls good brown shirts

 

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Let's see...

The Democrats have threatened to impeach president Trump for -

  1. December 15, 2016 - Call for Impeaching Trump (before he was even sworn in) claiming president Trump did not divest himself of his business interests despite court filed documents showing he had.
  2. February 14, 2017 - A second group (a PAC) began because Donald Trump, now president Trump was a threat to minorities, LGBT people, women and others. Planned Parenthood plans to file lawsuits against any erosion of federal law Roe V Wade.
  3. There was the Trump investigation regarding "collusion",
  4. Which led to another Trump investigation regarding "obstruction",
  5. About the same time as all of this was in progress a has been porn star named Stormy Danial who said she had a tryst with Trump in 2006 told the media she had received a payoff from Trump's lawyer to keep quiet about the affair, in violation of her non disclosure agreement and after signing an affidavit denying she had ever had an affair with Trump.

Democrats threatened to impeach Trump for wanting a temporary moratorium on refugees and asylum seekers from the Middle East, for asking for immigration reform and an end to chain migration, for repealing the protections for Dreamers, for asking for funds for a Southern border wall, for "putting children in cages", for closing the borders and insisting asylum seekers abide by established regulations, for allowing the government to shut down without proper funding for border security including adherence to existing border law restrictions, for what they called the inadequate funding of the Puerto Rico disaster recovery, for ending Temporary Protected Status for Honduran refugees who sought refuge in the United States after Hurricane Mitch in 1998, When in 2010 an earthquake in  Haiti killing about 50,000 to 70,000 people and in 2016 when Hurricane Matthew hit Haiti  killing 580 people and leaving more than 35,000 homeless. 

Democrats have threatened to impeach president Trump for not supporting (mostly meaningless) changes to the election process, and now there are more calls to impeach President Trump over a phone call to the Ukrainian president...

Apparently it's OK for Hillary Clinton, the DNC and Democrat PAC groups to work with the Ukraine on digging up dirt on Donald Trump, but at the mere suggestion about Ukraine working with the DOJ and the U.S. Attorney General, to see if there is any truth to the statement former VP Joe Biden bragged about telling saying he told Ukrainian officials to "fire the prosecutor" investigating Hunter Biden, his son, or Vice President Biden would tell President Obama to cancel loan guarantees from the U.S. to the Ukrane... That's is an impeachable offence...

But you don't have to take my word for it, here's the video with former VP Biden bragging about how he made the threat as he spoke to the Council of Foreign Relations.

Now I'm not suggesting Hunter Biden did anything wrong, a business can give as much of their money away to whomever they want and for any reason...

But for a U.S. Vice President to threaten to withhold funding from a foreign country if they don't fire the prosecutor and end the investigation of his son - That's a different matter all together.

So far despite years and years of effort - and millions and millions of taxpayer dollars every single threat and attempt to bring impeachment proceedings against President Trump has failed, yet the Democrats still seem to be operating under the theory of; "if you throw enough shit at someone, eventually something will stick", regardless of how much tax payer dollars it costs, how much time it takes and how many other, needful things - don't get done - in the process.

While the people I think should be investigated are being given a leftist pass and IMO make false allegations of misconduct that some hope will lead to the impeachment of Donald Trump.

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(*seems to me the Democrats, by their efforts to impeach president Trump are almost handing the 2020 presidential election to the GOP ¢¢)

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  It appears that President Trump may have baited the cretins in the Democrat party to highlight the corruption of one of its presidential candidates.  I wonder if being a Presidential candidate  precludes that candidate from having his alleged corrupt activities investigated during his campaign, and before the election. It seems it was permissible during the 2016 campaign, to  the extent that the 0bama administration spied, and used foreign agents to spy on a 2016 candidate.   

  Trumps takes his time machine back to the corrupt 0bama days.

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 Mr President is going to do well with his newest product line, which includes handkerchiefs, tissues, adult diapers and this medication for those suffering from TDS.  

 

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Guys seriously

trump just asked China  on the white house lawn to world wide news reporters to help dig up dirt on biden.

Its not a question of if trump broke the law He just did it in front of the entire world.

He has threatened  treason against our nation in the form of a civil war .

He has publically threatened a whistle blower

attempted to intimidate wtnesses

He said you were stupid enough to defend him if he shot someone on 5th ave. and he was obviously right about that .

So there is no question that hes guilty and should be removed from office along with Pence  Bar and others involved in his consipracy. The question is are you actually putting trump and your party before our nation. and from posts here  your answer is  screw the nation

since there have been no post since saturda I can only guess your arms are tired

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5 hours ago, DonF said:

Guys seriously

trump just asked China  on the white house lawn to world wide news reporters to help dig up dirt on biden.

Its not a question of if trump broke the law He just did it in front of the entire world.

He has threatened  treason against our nation in the form of a civil war .

He has publically threatened a whistle blower

attempted to intimidate wtnesses

He said you were stupid enough to defend him if he shot someone on 5th ave. and he was obviously right about that .

So there is no question that hes guilty and should be removed from office along with Pence  Bar and others involved in his consipracy. The question is are you actually putting trump and your party before our nation. and from posts here  your answer is  screw the nation

since there have been no post since saturda I can only guess your arms are tired

It's not about defending Trump, it's about being able to find and relate the truth - actual facts instead of making up something with the sole purpose of attempting to vilify the president with lies, fabricated conspiracies, and misleading half measures.  

Actually the non-TDS media is reporting the president asked China and the Ukraine to investigate possible corruption and criminal behavior regarding Joe Biden's son in accordance to the "mutual legal assistance in criminal matters" agreement with the Ukrainian government signed by former president Bill Clinton, in 1999 with the purpose of cooperation between the two countries in investigating possible crimes, conflicts of interest and corruption that would effect either country. We don't have an agreement with China, but president Trump once stated he would like to have something like that in place to address corporate espionage and unauthorized reproduction of U.S. goods in China (but I'm not holding my breath).

But I'm sure it sounds much more sinister when you say " digging up dirt on biden"{sp}, in addition to purposefully omitting we are talking about the junior Biden, Hunter and not (at this point) the senior, Joe Biden.

Just more false flags and misinformation by those who cannot be taken seriously because their hatred of the president, predisposes their ability to convey actual facts.

Seems to me under that same agreement in 2016, Hillary Clinton the DNC and I believe then president Barack Obama used that treaty to ask the Ukrainian government's help in "investigating" Donald Trump. Apparently it was fine then - but when the shoe's on the other foot, some want to falsely label it "treason" and try to claim it is an impeachable offenseSmiley-ROFL.gif

https://www.congress.gov/treaty-document/106th-congress/16/document-text

It's no secret that when Obama and Joe Biden was in office, in 2013 Hunter Biden flew with his dad on Air Force 2 to China and days after, Hunter Biden's firm scored a deal with a subsidiary of the Chinese government's Bank of China worth millions - possibly billions and whether or not the senior Biden's political influence gave any weight to the Bank of China deal is something, until now not questioned.

It's also no secret that in 2014 Hunter Biden was hired as a consultant and served on the board of a Ukrainian gas company where he was reportedly paid as much as $50,000 a month even though the junior Biden has zero training and expertise in any energy, petroleum or gas operations. Add to that Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma Holdings, the company Hunter Biden was working for, was being investigated by a Ukrainian prosecutor and his father Joe Biden brags about how he got the prosecutor fired - see the Biden video above.

Now TDS afflicted individuals seem to have no problem making misleading and false accusations, with absolutely no evidence to support their nattering against president Trump. But when president Trump inquires of foreign governments if they have any evidence of wrong doings tied to the Bidens, the TDS afflicted come unglued and make false claims that the president is asking them to "dig up dirt" instead of admitting the perfectly legal investigation of possible wrong doings.

Just like the other false claim that Trump "threatened  treason against our nation in the form of a civil war" - absolutely false and the proof is in the video. What the president did was Tweet a quote from Pastor Robert Jeffress (not a person I personally agree with), the head pastor of a First Baptist church in Dallas who said during a TV interview: "... and I just want to make this prediction this morning. If Democrats are successful in removing the president from office, I'm afraid it would cause a Civil War like fracture in this nation from which this country will never heal."

President Trump even attributed the quote to pastor Jeffress in his Tweet - So what we have here is yet another TDS, Trump-hater omission of fact, a half truth, that is all too common to those who hate Donald Trump to the extent they willingly and repeatedly have to fabricate their talking points.

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If Trump is such a bad guy, why do the TDS afflicted incessantly need to make up things and spread misinformation to try to explain how bad Trump is?

However the TDS afflicted think they can make up another false claim trying to convince people the statement came from president Trump and again the truth, the actual facts are submitted below.

One false or misleading accusation after another by the deranged Trump haters and the only people who take them at their word, are other TDS afflicted Trump haters.

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.If the Democrats are successful in removing the President from office (which they will never be), it will cause a Civil War like fracture

 I think that statements like this one presupposes that the reader can grasp concepts of  hypothesis, analogy  and potential.

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when will the die hard anti trumpers realize you aint getting rid of Trump.  They all tried and still trying and whatever they do to trump or try it bounces off like water on a ducks back. 

But one thing I will give you anti trumpers is you are persistent.  You always fail, but persistent. 

Now I just read an article that polosi son has been doing business in Ukraine... now I got to get the low down on it. 

Congress has so many crooks its pathetic.  Levin told about Cummings was bankrupt basicly when he came to congress in the 90's I think he said They even had started repossession on his home etc...  Now a multimillionaire. .  His wife now has a consulting company ...one non profit and one for profit and together him and her work a scheme and have become quite successful at it.  And if they don't do business with them  Cummings comes down on the company somehow.  I got to dig into it.  Leven said no one can call them out on it cause if they do then they shout racist. 

Any way crazy Bernie is out because of health, he just doesn't realize it yet.  Looks right now Warren might get it unless something changes and end results is Trump  will continue on being our great president for another 4 more years.  How about those unemployment figures Friday, down to 3 1/2 percent. Of course we all can thank the O'bummer for that.... that's sarcasm if you cant figure that out pyro.  hahaha

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The way I heard it is Speaker Pelosi's son, Paul Pelosi Jr. was an executive with board member of Viscoil and executive at its related company NRGLab, which DID ENERGY Business in UKRAINE! – His mother Nancy Pelosi was featured in one of the company’s 2013 promotional videos which also went to the Ukraine (see video below).

Just waiting on the usual suspects, err - news sources to pick up that story and verify if the promo video with Nancy was aired in the Ukraine -

So now we have Joe Biden's son who was employed by a Ukrainian energy company (although he apparently had zero gas and oil experience) for which he was reportedly paid millions of dollars and Nancy Pelosi's son who also made deals with a Ukrainian energy company and possibly used his mother's political position for his own financial gain.

Looks to me the Democrats opened a can of worms and now those worms are turning on them... :o

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and all that shit was debunked in 2016

how about kushners billion dollar bail out from the saudis  Oh yeah that doesnt matter

And Yes Don it is all about defend treason  which you continue to do

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On 10/6/2019 at 12:09 AM, DonF said:

and all that shit was debunked in 2016

how about kushners billion dollar bail out from the saudis  Oh yeah that doesnt matter

And Yes Don it is all about defend treason  which you continue to do

 

On 10/6/2019 at 12:09 AM, DonF said:

And Yes Don it is all about defend treason  which you continue to do

I am absolutely positive you do not have better insight into my personal motivations, intent and feelings than I do despite you repeatedly trying to claim you do. This along with your putting out more of the not quite factual information you are known for. I'm not as big a fan or supporter of president Trump as you would like people to believe - I am however an avid supporter of fact and truth that much of the statements you make seem to be devoid of.

**I'm also certain that Donald Trump has never been charged, tried nor convicted of treason despite you repeatedly attempting to accuse him of treason... (**as I've repeatedly pointed out).

This is just another case fabricated and misleading accusations from a Trump hater with the only people taking these claims seriously being other TDS afflicted Trump haters...

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On 10/6/2019 at 12:09 AM, DonF said:

and all that shit was debunked in 2016

And yet you cannot offer one single bit of evidence to support your claim about the allegations against Biden and Pelosi being "debunked".

Anyone can fabricate misleading and false claims, being unable to come up with any kind of evidence to support those statements however is the hallmark of Trump-haters and when their bogus claims have indeed been confirmed as bogus, they lose even more of what little credibility they may have had.

Let's review...

On 10/5/2019 at 10:56 PM, Don said:

Speaker Pelosi's son, Paul Pelosi Jr. was an executive with board member of Viscoil...

His mother Nancy Pelosi was featured in one of the company’s 2013 promotional videos which also went to the Ukraine...

Both of which you claim was "debunked" although both are true and there's even video evidence, which I posted to support my statement.

Then we have ...

On 10/5/2019 at 10:56 PM, Don said:

Joe Biden's son who was employed by a Ukrainian energy company for which he was reportedly paid millions of dollars

Not only has that fact not been "debunked" despite you saying so, it is also a matter of public record.

On 10/6/2019 at 12:09 AM, DonF said:

how about kushners billion dollar bail out from the saudis  Oh yeah that doesnt matter

Oh yeah, that does matter...

Jared Kushner is a senior advisor to his father-in-law, Donald Trump, the deal Kushner helped broker was for American Companies like Lockheed Martin, companies with which Kushner had no official or unofficial position and no personal financial gain from the deal.

Are you seriously trying to use that as a rebuttal and in defense of Pelosi - possibly making a deal with the Ukraine for financial gain and Biden definitely reaping the financial rewards of being hired by a Ukrainian energy company?

For someone who keeps trying to claim the president is frequently operating outside the Constitution and presidential authority, you seems to be woefully uninformed about what authority the president actually has...

A provision under the 1976 Arms Export Control Act, allows the president to expedite weapons sales to foreign powers when there is an emergency that threatens U.S. national security interests.

ARMS EXPORT CONTROL ACT [Public Law 90–629] 
 
CHAPTER 1—FOREIGN AND NATIONAL SECURITY POLICY OBJECTIVES AND RESTRAINTS 1 SECTION 1.
 
"THE NEED FOR INTERNATIONAL DEFENSE COOPERATION AND MILITARY EXPORT CONTROLS.—As declared by the Congress in the Arms Control and Disarmament Act, an ultimate goal of the United States continues to be a world which is free from the scourge of war and the dangers and burdens of armaments; in which the use of force has been subordinated to the rule of law; and in which international adjustments to a changing world are achieved peacefully. In furtherance of that goal, it remains the policy of the United States to encourage regional arms control and disarmament agreements and to discourage arms races. The Congress recognizes, however, that the United States and other free and independent countries continue to have valid requirements for effective and mutually beneficial defense relationships in order to maintain and foster the environment of international peace and security essential to social, economic, and political progress. Because of the growing cost and complexity of defense equipment, it is increasingly difficult and uneconomic for any country, particularly a developing country, to fill all of its legitimate defense requirements from its own design and production base."

At the time of the considered arms sale from American businesses, Saudi Arabia was engaged in an Arabian coalition offensive against the Iranian supplied rebels in Yemen as well as more direct threats from Iran in Saudi Arabia.  The arms deal was considered an emergency measure to "address the military need of Saudi Arabia in the face of an urgent regional threat posed by Iran.” according to R. Clarke Cooper, assistant secretary for Political-Military Affairs at the State Department.

Just how naive and ill-informed do you think people not afflicted with TDS are?

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 Political junkets to Ukraine and other areas, "top shelf" accommodations of course!

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s congressional delegation (CODEL) to Belgium, Egypt and Afghanistan garnered extra attention after President Donald Trump banned her from using military aircraft, but the trip would not have been the first time she used Air Force money to travel the world.

Pelosi’s trip to Italy and Ukraine from July 30 to Aug. 6, 2015, cost the Air Force $184,587.81, according to documents released Saturday under a 2015 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit by Judicial Watch. Her delegation was made up of other Democratic members of Congress, including California Rep. Anna Eshoo, after “token” Republican Wisconsin Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner pulled out last minute, reported The Washington Post in 2015.

Four family members, including Pelosi’s husband Paul Pelosi, were slated to go on the trip. The delegation was scheduled to dine at restaurants including James Beard American Restaurant in Milan, where a five-course meal cost up to $190, according to Fine Dining Lovers. The lawmakers also toured the Vatican and met up with Italian dignitaries, including President Sergio Mattarella and then-Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, according to their itinerary.

 

Beginning in 2009, after the media failed to follow up on concerns raised about Nancy Pelosi’s use of luxury Air Force jets to travel between her congressional district and DC, Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information act requests exposed her abuse of this travel perk.  Judicial Watch uncovered that Pelosi’s military travel cost the United States Air Force $2,100,744.59 over one two-year period — $101,429.14 of which was for in-flight expenses, including food and alcohol.

Overall, Pelosi’s European excursion cost the Air Force about the same amount of money it would take to send a student to Harvard University for four years. Judicial Watch compared the trip to Republican Colorado Sen. Cory Gardner’s CODEL trip with multiple stops in east Asia in August 2015. The trip led by Gardner, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, cost at least $26,009.03 for commercial flights and per diems, according to records cited by Judicial Watch.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/21/nancy-pelosi-travel-husband/

 

https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/21/nancy-pelosi-travel-husband/

 

 

 

 

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WASHINGTON, DC--(Marketwire - January 28, 2010) - Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, announced today that it has obtained documents from the Air Force detailing House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's use of United States Air Force aircraft for Congressional Delegations (CODELS). According to the documents obtained by Judicial Watch through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), the Speaker's military travel cost the United States Air Force $2,100,744.59 over a two-year period -- $101,429.14 of which was for in-flight expenses, including food and alcohol. The following are highlights from the recent release of about 2,000 documents:

 


--  Speaker Pelosi used Air Force aircraft to travel back to her district
    at an average cost of $28,210.51 per flight.  The average cost of an
    international CODEL is $228,563.33.  Of the 103 Pelosi-led congressional
    delegations (CODEL), 31 trips included members of the House Speaker's
    family.
    
--  One CODEL traveling from Washington, DC, through Tel Aviv, Israel to
    Baghdad, Iraq May 15-20, 2008, "to discuss matters of mutual concern with
    government leaders" included members of Congress and their spouses and cost
    $17,931 per hour in air craft alone.  Purchases for the CODEL included:
    Johnny Walker Red scotch, Grey Goose vodka, E&J brandy, Bailey's Irish
    Crème, Maker's Mark whiskey, Courvoisier cognac, Bacardi Light rum, Jim
    Beam whiskey, Beefeater gin, Dewars scotch, Bombay Sapphire gin, Jack
    Daniels whiskey, Corona beer and several bottles of wine.
    

https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/21/nancy-pelosi-travel-husband/

 

 

 

 

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“My name is Paul Pelosi…and Viscoil is here today to talk about accelerating the future,” said Pelosi Jr. “That’s what Viscoil does — it uses technology to maximize the use of natural resources, like oil and other resources.”

Pelosi’s son traveled to Ukraine in 2017 on behalf of the Corporate Governance Initiative, where he now serves as executive director. The official reason given for his visit was to discuss a youth soccer partnership program with the Ukrainian government, but clips of that trip have reportedly been removed from online.

One of those clips was saved by The American Mirror on Twitter

https://www.oann.com/son-of-house-speaker-pelosi-made-money-in-ukraine-used-her-in-ads/  

 

https://twitter.com/American_Mirror?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1177576868733698048&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.oann.com%2Fson-of-house-speaker-pelosi-made-money-in-ukraine-used-her-in-ads%2F

 

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The thing to remember is we aren't even at the point where impeachment is even possible yet, that would call for a vote on the floor of the House of Representatives, the matter is still in the investigation phase.

Nor do I think Speaker Pelosi will call for a vote (regardless of what they find) before the beginning of the 2020 presidential campaign.

Like many the unproven and it appears unsupported allegations against Donald Trump when he was running for president in 2016, and the many unproven and it appears unsupported allegations against Brett Kavanaugh when he was nominated for the Supreme Court in 2018, the as yet unproven and possibly unsupported charges of "collusion" and "obstruction" against president Trump from the Muller investigation (2017-2019) and now the supposed (but not yet proven or supported) allegations of wrong doing by the president in his conversations with Ukrainian and Chinese officials, I suspect the Democrats will try to drag this process out as long as they can allowing the media foes of president trump politicians opposed to the president to speculate on the nature of the investigation and to prognosticate what each bit of "leaked" information might mean in an attempt to cast as much negativity as possible on the president ahead of the 2020 presidential election. 

Using just the innuendo of impropriety (albeit yet unproven and unsubstantiated) in their allegations against president Trump, Democrats and social media anti-Trumpers will try to turn public opinion away from Donald Trump and no doubt hopefully, in favor of his political opponents.

The Trump impeachment probe is all too reminiscent of the Mueller Investigation, the Kavanaugh investigation and the 2016 charges against then 'candidate' Trump - and I suspect will have the same unremarkable outcome. Just more unsupportable accusations of wrong doing, not backed up by any evidence, ending not with a bang - but with a whimper... and much screaming at the sky.

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But that's just my own prognostication (opinion) -

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Now we're getting to the meat and potatoes of the Democrat's "investigation"...

Instead of allowing the Democrats to continue with their 'fishing expedition" by asking people to testify and turn over records voluntarily , now the Democrats are being forced to go on (official) record as they say they will now compel subpoena, testimony and documents.

First the Democrats issued a subpoena Defense Department and Office of Management and Budget for documents related to the Trump administration's decision to withhold financial aid to Ukraine, now they say they will compel by subpoena testimony from Gordon Sondland, the US Ambassador to the European Union after he was instructed not to voluntarily testify, even though Sondland's legal spokesperson stated the Ambassador is willing and "ready" to testify on short notice"...

CBS News
Sondland's lawyer Robert Luskin said in the statement that Sondland "is profoundly disappointed that he will not be able to testify today." Luskin said the ambassador had traveled from Brussels for the testimony and made arrangements with committee staff to appear. Sondland "believes strongly that he acted at all times in the best interests of the United States" and remains ready to testify "on short notice," Luskin said.
 
PBS:
 
Now every subpoena for information and testimony will be part of the official investigation record and barring anything damaging to the president or his administration, those official records can be used against the Democrats from yet another one of their attempts to impeach president Trump.
On 9/12/2019 at 7:32 PM, Don said:

It's About Time - After Months of Threats, Innuendo and vacillating House Panel Votes to Move Toward Impeaching Trump

But just a reminder...

Even if the Democrats are able to impeach president Trump for wrong doings in connection to the Ukraine, all that means is if Trump does not finish out his term (as Clinton did), or decides to resign (as Nixon did) Vice President Pence would then serve out the remainder of president Trump's term of office (unless they can come up with something on him too).

It would not invalidate the 2016 presidential election results... :7_sweat_smile:

Nor would it necessarily shine a more favorable light on the Democrat presidential nominees ...

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Sorry Democrats ~

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 There is still the matter of a 2/3 vote in the Senate required to convict and remove the president. Which could be a lengthy process. 

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5 hours ago, rcbuff said:

 There is still the matter of a 2/3 vote in the Senate required to convict and remove the president. Which could be a lengthy process. 

Oh I'm pretty sure that unless the Democrats are able to cobble something unquestionably and exceedingly damning against president Trump (that mean actual proof, not just speculation, innuendo and make believe accusations) the vote to impeach will fail in the Senate, especially since as you mentioned Conviction in the Senate requires a two-thirds supermajority vote.

However as I mentioned, even if the Democrats are successful in getting Trump removed all that would accomplish would be to put Pence in the Oval Office (which some say would be worse, as in Pence being much more right leaning conservative, than having Trump as president).

Then there is the inevitable precedent - 'If you don't like a president, or his policies, just attempt - repeatedly - to impeach him', until either something works, or the American voters get so fed up with those attempts that the opposition party wins a clear majority in all branches.

I still predict that if no more comes from this latest attempt to remove the president than came from the 2016 allegations and the Mueller investigation, that the Democrats are virtually handing the 2020 election (and maybe the mid-terms as well) to the GOP.

But since I don't really have a crystal ball... that's just a guess ~

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Your posts tell an entirely different story Don

there are more than a years worth of your own posts constantly Defending Trump and I doubt a single post condemning him they speak for themselves.

such as the above claim the democrats will have to cobble something together against trump.

No

Hes guilty of obstruction , wintness intimidation, requesting foreign governments to infuence our elections for his own political gain.In short hes broken  many US laws and constitutional law despite those like yourself who have abandon their morals in his defense.

were he not currently protected by his office he'd be sitting in jail with many of his "people" Thats what the M report actually said in far more words .

and now we have him admitting hes "renting the Saudies our military. How much money did the saudi's give DJTjr before trump pulled our troops out of syria and left our Kurdish allies at the mercy of the genocidal turks?  How many american lives will be sold to the saudi's by trump.

But by all means continue to defend him  and rest assured I will be sure to throw every one of your posts back in your face when the hammer does drop and he faces justice .

while I doubt he will be charged with treason as he should be , there will be charges that he will be found guilty of  just s hes been found guilty of fraud in the past .

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5 hours ago, DonF said:

Your posts tell an entirely different story Don

there are more than a years worth of your own posts constantly Defending Trump and I doubt a single post condemning him they speak for themselves.

such as the above claim the democrats will have to cobble something together against trump.

No

Hes guilty of obstruction , wintness intimidation, requesting foreign governments to infuence our elections for his own political gain.In short hes broken  many US laws and constitutional law despite those like yourself who have abandon their morals in his defense.

were he not currently protected by his office he'd be sitting in jail with many of his "people" Thats what the M report actually said in far more words .

and now we have him admitting hes "renting the Saudies our military. How much money did the saudi's give DJTjr before trump pulled our troops out of syria and left our Kurdish allies at the mercy of the genocidal turks?  How many american lives will be sold to the saudi's by trump.

But by all means continue to defend him  and rest assured I will be sure to throw every one of your posts back in your face when the hammer does drop and he faces justice .

while I doubt he will be charged with treason as he should be , there will be charges that he will be found guilty of  just s hes been found guilty of fraud in the past .

 

My opposition to and rebuttal of the type of misinformation and outright fallacy you sometimes post dates back more than year and conveniently you've provided a perfect example in your reply, so fortunately I don't have to go back a year, a week or even a day to prove my point. You've provided substantiation for my statement in your post...

Your false and misleading allegation;  'Mueller did not charge Trump because of his office' for example-

NBC News:

Mueller clarifies comments on whether he could indict Trump

"The former FBI director had said in his report he never reached a decision on whether Trump could or should be charged with obstruction because of the OLC guidance.
 
In Mueller's opening statement that came later before the House Intelligence Committee, the former special counsel said he wanted to "correct the record" on his exchange with Lieu.
 
"That's not the correct way to say it," Mueller said. "We did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime." 
 
That statement was more in line with his report, and with his earlier opening statement to the Judiciary Committee, where he said, "Based on Justice Department policy and principles of fairness, we decided we would not make a determination as to whether the President committed a crime. That was our decision then and it remains our decision today."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/did-mueller-mean-trump-could-be-indicted-when-he-leaves-n1033901

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You've even thoughtfully provided another example about the lack of honesty of your accusatory statements...

5 hours ago, DonF said:

Hes guilty of obstruction , wintness intimidation, requesting foreign governments to infuence our elections for his own political gain.

Has president Trump been charged, tried and convicted of obstruction, intimidation or seeking foreign influence in regard to the upcoming election?

He has not.

Honest, clear thinking people not under the influence of TDS, recognize there is a clearly defined difference being being accused of something and being "guilty" of what they've been accused of.

Seeing as how you repeatedly and falsely state president Trump is "guilty" of this - or "guilty" of that, when in fact at worse the reality is president has been accused, but not tried or convicted of those charges I must presume you are either so severely influenced by your TDS that you have no concept of reality, or you are lacking the capacity for any kind of honesty with it comes to those you oppose.

Contrary to the progressive and liberal mindset, I will not apologize or be made to feel guilty for having a difference of opinion or political view from the progressive left's habitual barrage of disinformation and outright fabrication... if anyone has a problem with that, it will remain their problem - not mine.

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** I still look forward to the termination of the Democrat's closed door "investigation" and a vote called for on the House floor... one way or another it will end this sideshow and hopefully both houses of Congress can get back to the jobs they were elected by their constituents to do.

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yes it goes back to his running  and has been nothing but defense of the orange anus no matter what he did or said  and when presented with his own words you claimed that wasnt what he meant. constant excusing constant defending .

and no a vote on the house floor wont end it

the house will impeach the senate will do nothing

many will be charged with crimes his current lawter will likely join his former lawyer in jail

makes one miss the old republican party of the 50s 60s and even 70s who would have hung him and the reps and senators who are constantly defending him for treason.

you dont rebutt falsicies you rebutt anything trump does claiming he either didnt do it say it  or mean it.

you can tell that to our allies he left to be slaughtered, the special forces he allowed being shelled. and the families of the servicemen killed while being (trumps own words) rented out to the saudi's

 

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Yeah I'm not a big fan of the pull out of American troops from Kurdish occupied Syria myself, so if you want evidence I am not in the habit of always defending president Trump you don't have to look any further than this instance to show it.

I do not agree with the way it was done. I believe we should have had a gradual draw down making sure our allies were adequately trained and supplied instead of an immediate pull out... but given that a staged reduction after training and supplying our allies was exactly what we did in Iraq and it didn't do a lot of good, whether or not it would have worked any better in Kurdish occupied Syria is anyone's best guess.

We were pretty much at a stalemate in Syria anyway. We train and supply the Kurds to hunt down ISIS, because we can't (officially) engage in direct military action because of the Russians, who are arming and training Syrian troops to oppose the Kurds, but still I would have thought a draw down would have been strategically better than a pull out but I'm just an arm chair general second guessing the government on that.

However I do figure we've already spent too many American lives trying to prop up nations in the Middle East who have little or no strategic importance to the United States which realistically is where we were at in Syria.

As far as the president sending troops to the Saudi's, Saudi Arabia is the second largest importer of petroleum to the United States with the U.S. importing between 500,000 and 800,000 barrels of crude oil a day and as such protecting Saudi oil fields are of both strategic importance and has a national security importance to the U.S..

The "investigation"...

The facts are after two and a half years and millions of taxpayer dollars, the Muller Russia investigation found nothing to substantiate charging president Trump with colluding with Russia. Nor was the investigation able to determine the president did anything to obstruct justice. 

To my knowledge the Democrats have seriously threatened to bring impeachment proceedings against president Trump no less than four times and to date have been unsuccessful three of those times with the fourth pending. You your self admit that even if the House of Representatives, with their Democrat majority vote to impeach the president the Senate will probably decline to pursue impeachment proceedings and that would make the Democrats 0 for 4, wasting all the time and millions more of the taxpayer's money for another unsuccessful bid to pin something on Trump instead of doing what they were elected by their constituents to do.

None of that is "defending Trump", just plain and simple fact.

So far from chairman Schiff's (D-CA) Ukraine investigation Two associates of Rudy Giuliani were arrested on suspicion of violating campaign finance rules, so if this turns out to be another protracted "investigation" and yet again the best the Democrats can come up with is campaign finance violations and such, without being able to show Trump guilty of or charge with anything close to an impeachable offense, this latest investigation also will turn into just another snake oil sideshow with lots of claims against president Trump - with none of them supported by any kind of evidence. 

I figure the American public will be reminded of the time and expense for all of these previously failed impeachment attempts, the wasted time and money used to pursue them and I somehow doubt the public will be as forgiving of the Democrats efforts as they were following the Mueller investigation...

But that's just a guess.

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you mean like millions spent on benazi, and other waisted money be repiblican, how about the 23 billion from shutting down the governtment, or the 157 million wastd on 60 plus votes to repeal the ACA. Or the 300 plus million trump has spent on golfing

Mueller report says trump is guilty but cant be charged while in office  it sure as hell doesnt clear him of anything infact it says quite the opposite.

and now we have trump trying to rent out (HIS OWN FUCKING WORDS) our military to the Saqudi's

and of course his telling tirkey to invade syria which he is now trying to claim hes going to stop with sanctions after turkey shelled our troop and has ben setting ISIl prisoners loose , that forced our allies the Kurds to ask syria and Russia for help after he betrayed them .

only thing people are pissed at the democrats for is not getting him out of office fast enough

But have no fear you will be remembered in the same way Hitler supporters are . On the wrong side of history and as an example to be ashamed of

 

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