Don Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 FOX: DOJ confirms FBI is raiding Trump's Mar-a-Lago home, former president calls it 'political persecution' https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-mar-a-lago-home-florida-siege-fbi-agents I saw this coming when information came out about how Trump disregarded proper document handling protocols and may have carted off some official documents that should have been archived... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonF Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 Actually they were looking for records pertaining to the crimes in the Meuller report and illegal dealings with Russian nationals from what I read but who knows after all he is guilty of So Many crimes we cant be sure which one this search is for . But his place wasnt the only one raided recently , Rudy and others have been as well. Cant wait to see you break your neck doing an about face after the 5 years of defending his lies and criminal activity but in the meme time they are great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonF Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 But the really great news about this is that under 18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally (a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. (b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States. So all those trump 2024 signs were a real waste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted August 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 2 hours ago, DonF said: But the really great news about this is that under 18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally (a)Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. Yeah, I remember posting something like that not too long ago... And we all know how that turned out don't we... Of course this is Trump instead of Clinton - a Republican instead of a Democrat, so of course the authorities are probably going to find something actionable just like they did when the FBI investigated Clinton, except this time I highly doubt there will be upper level DOJ officials rewording the criminal complaint or saying "as a former prosecutor we wouldn't have been able to convict based on the lack of actionable evidence"... From what I can remember the investigators eventually found more than 69,900 emails and documents, some clearly classified and some even more restricted some (but not all) later declassified, and the DOJ had to make multiple requests to get what the Clinton people gave them and no one really knows if they got everything because the FBI didn't raid Clinton residences, businesses or agencies they just 'requested' the documents and the Clinton people apparently got to pick and choose what to turn over as official records and what to keep as "personal documents", and when it was all said and done Hillary's defense of; "Oopsie, my bad..." seemed to be enough to get her off. On 2/11/2022 at 1:17 PM, Don said: According to the Department of Justice's final Inspector General Audit Hillary Clinton was guilty of violating at least four laws and specifications relating to the receiving, transmission and retention of official government documents by wiping/destroying equipment used to convey and retain said documents, and much thanks to her and her staff's actions, it is now a violation of federal the Federal Records Act for federal government employees to use "private" or non government servers when conducting even unofficial government business. It will be interesting to see how aggressively the DOJ will try to go after Trump by comparison to the Clinton document investigation and if anyone will be rewording official reports or claiming a lack of what a real prosecutor would call; "actionable evidence" when it comes to an investigation and possible criminal charges against a Republican former president, Donald Trump... But as I said back then On 2/11/2022 at 2:27 AM, Don said: ... But I said it when we were discussing Clinton and still believe it now that we're talking about Trump, no one is exempt from the law. If a crime has been committed I think the guilty party should be held accountable... Maybe even to the same degree the previous guilty party was. It looks like Biden and his campaign people have found at least one tactic to reduce his political opposition for the next presidential election... if it works. If however this investigation doesn't turn out any better than the Mueller ("Russia, Russia, Russia") investigation or the Ukrainian phone call investigation where it seems Trump was impeached - twice - Biden, the Democrats and the DOJ are going to wind up with massive egg on their face... again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonF Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 And you failed on your attempt to accuse Hillary and no charges were filed because it was all bull crap she was not guilty of any crime and no evidence was found that supported charging her with any crime depite years of republican claims and attempts and millions of tax dollars spent . to compound your fail your own post admits that her servers were not illegal at the time though republicans passed the federal records law after the fact to try to get her, The beauty is now that law may well seal Trumps criminal fate . I also recall the claims that the Meuller report cleared trump , which it did not , in fact it stated that if he were not a sitting president at the time he would have been charged , well guess what he's not a sitting president and can be charged with the crime uncovered in the report and the evidence contained in that report can be used . though thats only one of many crimes he's been involved with. there an attempted coup the hatch act collusion treason fraud ( remember trump university) witness tampering embezzlement campaign financing the list goes on and on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonF Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 this is pretty typical is the maga movement wonder what trumps cut was Pro-MAGA Clothing Company Fined by FTC for Fake Made in USA Labels (people.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted August 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 4 hours ago, DonF said: And you failed on your attempt to accuse Hillary and no charges were filed because it was all bull crap she was not guilty of any crime and no evidence was found that supported charging her with any crime depite years of republican claims and attempts and millions of tax dollars spent . Let's see, we have you saying the investigation was BS, she was not guilty of any crime and no evidence was found - then we have the DOJ Inspector General's audit saying Clinton was "guilty of violating at least four laws" relating to the handling of official government documents... Whoever shall we believe??? Yeah that last is a bit puckish ~ 14 hours ago, Don said: According to the Department of Justice's final Inspector General Audit Hillary Clinton was guilty of violating at least four laws and specifications relating to the receiving, transmission and retention of official government documents by wiping/destroying equipment used to convey and retain said documents, Like so many of the things previously posted the statement tend to antithetically clash with reality and facts... 4 hours ago, DonF said: to compound your fail your own post admits that her servers were not illegal at the time though republicans passed the federal records law after the fact to try to get her, The beauty is now that law may well seal Trumps criminal fate . I believe the only changes to the federal records law was the specific mention that "private servers" are not allowed... there's nothing in the the previous law that would be more restrictive as it pertains to Donald Trump than it did to Hillary Clinton because of the changes. Clinton's private servers, which Hillary herself admitted in hindsight was "a mistake" was never really the issue... and doesn't appear to apply to Trump since there's no evidence Trump had a private server jammed into a closet at his personal residence like Clinton did. UK Guardian: (Sept.2015) Hillary Clinton admits private email server was 'a mistake' ‘I’m sorry about that. I take full responsibility’ says embattled Democratic frontrunner, a day after telling the Associated Press she would not apologize The issue was and remains Clinton's "receiving, transmission and retention of official government documents and wiping/destroying equipment used to convey and retain said documents", of which as I mentioned the DOJ-IG audit reportedly found no less than four unlawful violations, which by the way if a law is violated, that automatically makes it a crime, despite your false claim Clinton: "was not guilty of any crime and no evidence was found" - but then I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain it to you in a fashion you may better comprehend. 4 hours ago, DonF said: I also recall the claims that the Meuller report cleared trump , which it did not , in fact it stated that if he were not a sitting president at the time he would have been charged , well guess what he's not a sitting president and can be charged with the crime uncovered in the report and the evidence contained in that report can be used . Donald Trump hasn't been president for over a year now and there have yet to be any criminal charges filed against the ex-president based on the findings of the Mueller investigation... Has the DOJ just been biding it's time in an attempt to spring one of their 'October surprise' campaign tactics, or could it be there isn't really anything worth pursuing? I guess that's something we'll find out eventually... At best as you mentioned former president Trump may be charged under under 18 U.S. Code § 2071 for the improper retention and handling of government documents and at worst perhaps something will be found in those confiscated boxes that could lead to additional charges, but let's not get the cart before the horse... A search warrant has been processed and the FBI has collected boxes of documents that may or may not prove anything more damning than the improper handling of official documents... basically the same charges Hillary Clinton faced. As I see it, the real tell will be if that charge is made, will former president Trump receive considerations similar to Hillary when clearly the evidence (according to the DOJ-IG audit) showed she was guilty of no less than four unlawful violations of the Title 18 U.S. Code - or will those attempting to persecute... errm, prosecute former president Trump attempt to throw the book at him after letting Clinton off scot-free and how anyone will attempt to justify the disparagement, if it happens. Still I maintain 'no one is above the law' and if there has been criminal behavior the perpetrator should be held accountable regardless of popularity, gender or political affiliation, and secondly there should be equal application of justice under the law. Given the findings and outcome of the Clinton document handling case I would expect Trump to receive similar consideration... or this will be observed by many as just another Democrat/anti-Trump barn burning that's only happening because the intended party is Donald Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonF Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 four laws that were passed after she had left office a point you seem to be ignoring second point is hillary holding or running for office no trump took classified documents , he could have declassified them with a wave of the magic president wand before leaving office but he didnt which makes for an entirely different law broken. if that is actually what they were looking for , we also have testimony of him destroying documents in the white house as well , we arent talking Emails we are talking signed documents big difference the hillary witch hunt went on for more than 30 years over a billion tax dollars spent by republicans trying to create a crime to charge her with it failed nearly as badly as your own attempt here to do the same . she was cleared of wrong doing in numerous hearings hillary also wasnt twice impeached I dont see trump receiving similar consideration for one thing hillary never called for an attack on the capitol, she never stole boces of classified documents to hide her criminal activity , she never defrauded hundreds oif people, embezzled from her charity, or countless other things trump actually did also its debateable as to which crimes the warrant entails , was it the destruction and removal of classified documents, was it documents involved with illegal Russian aluminum deals, was it involving illegal deals with the Saudis, violations of the Hatch act. embezzlement of campaign funds ,legal donations or the stop the steal scam.or even the tax evasion scams so once again you are trying to compare apples to a bag of syphilitic dicks you are how ever on a roll for failures of late , nearly as quit down the tubes as AON or trumps social media Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonF Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 some what in question is the fact that the raid comes shortly after Alex jones phone texts are given to Liz Cheney and a rusian involved in trumps russia aluminum deal is raided , as well as Rudy being raided But keep on your story line don , It will be fun watching you back track yet again and claiming you werent trying to defend trump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonF Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 Ok so they went after the 15 boxes of documents trump packed himself and took, the same 15 boxes they told him nearly a year ago he needed to return but he refused to return . but since they had to go get then they are now evidence and can be used in other investigations as well I personally look forward to seeing what trump wanted to hide. of course knowing him we have to wonder which classified information he already sold to China,Putin or the Saudis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DonF Posted August 11, 2022 Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 So trumps lawyers and he himself have copies of the warrants and a list of contents taken , but Trump instead of releasing it to his followers has chosen to claim it was an illegal raid and he supposedly didnt know what was take so Again he is lying to his followers and inciting violence , this time against the FBI Trump team won't release copy of Mar-a-Lago FBI raid warrant (nypost.com) Quote Former President Donald Trump reportedly has no plans to publish the search warrant used to raid Mar-a-Lago on Monday — as the judge who approved the search considers a motion to unseal the document. The Justice Department has said little publicly about the unprecedented raid on a former president, which is believed to be part of an effort to retrieve presidential records that may contain classified information. Trump blasted the raid as a partisan “surprise attack” and “political targeting at the highest level.” But The DOJ is going to force them to go to court to prevent the release Garland asks court to unseal warrant for Mar-a-Lago search | AP News Quote WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department is asking a federal court to unseal the warrant the FBI used to search the Mar-a-Lago estate of former President Donald Trump, Attorney General Merrick Garland said Thursday, acknowledging extraordinary public interest in the case about classified records. The request is striking because such documents traditionally remain sealed during a pending investigation. But the Justice Department appeared to recognize that its silence since the search had created a vacuum for bitter verbal attacks by Trump and his allies, and that the public was entitled to the FBI’s side about what prompted Monday’s action at the former president’s home. “The public’s clear and powerful interest in understanding what occurred under these circumstances weighs heavily in favor of unsealing,” said a motion filed in federal court in Florida on Thursday. Should the warrant be released — the request is now with the judge, and Trump can object — it could disclose unflattering information about the former president and about FBI scrutiny of his handling of sensitive government documents right as he prepares for another run for the White House. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kansan Posted August 12, 2022 Report Share Posted August 12, 2022 Lest we forget: Former FBI Director James Comey took his handwritten notes when he was fired by Trump in 2017. His home wasn’t raided. He handed the notes to FBI agents who came to interview him. The Obama administration didn’t just fail to hand over documents, tens of thousands of its documents went missing or were destroyed. No homes were raided. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton failed to hand over tens of thousands of emails and documents from her server, claiming they were of a personal nature. The FBI was able to retrieve some of the documents, revealing that many were work-related. Moreover, the documents were under congressional subpoena at the time when a Clinton aide deleted them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonF Posted August 12, 2022 Report Share Posted August 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, Kansan said: Lest we forget: Former FBI Director James Comey took his handwritten notes when he was fired by Trump in 2017. His home wasn’t raided. He handed the notes to FBI agents who came to interview him. The Obama administration didn’t just fail to hand over documents, tens of thousands of its documents went missing or were destroyed. No homes were raided. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton failed to hand over tens of thousands of emails and documents from her server, claiming they were of a personal nature. The FBI was able to retrieve some of the documents, revealing that many were work-related. Moreover, the documents were under congressional subpoena at the time when a Clinton aide deleted them. nice try knew one of you would claim hillary though thats been through hearings already no wrong doing trump took 15 boxes he personally packed and was told to return Months ago , he had every opportunity to avoid this but considers himself above the law , hes not , hes a private citizen subject to the same laws as everyone else. now he can release his copy of the warrant and the list of materials taken , but he wont instead he will fight that information being released because it shows his illegal activity. Im not near as concerned with what was found as I am with what he has already sold to the saudis russians and china Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DonF Posted August 12, 2022 Report Share Posted August 12, 2022 Its worth noting that our most prolific poster has been pointedly ignoring the updates on this subject . Trump investigation live updates: FBI collected top-secret docs from Mar-a-Lago (msn.com) Quote ABC News has obtained what appears to be the search warrant executed at former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago property. The warrant has not yet been posted on the docket. ABC News is not yet publishing the warrant and property receipt. The filing, which includes two attachments ("Attachment A" and "Attachment B") indicates that the Justice Department, in its search of the Mar-a-Lago estate, is investigating potential violation of at least three separate criminal statutes, including a statute under the Espionage Act. section B Quote Attachment B states that the property to be seized by agents includes "all physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime or other items illegally possessed" in violation of 18 USC 793, a statute under the Espionage Act involving the gathering, transmitting or loss of defense information; 18 USC 2071, which involves any federal government employee who, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies or destroys public records; and 18 USC 1519, obstruction of justice. Under the receipt showing property that was seized from Trump's estate, agents note they recovered 11 sets of documents of various classifications ranging from confidential to top secret and sensitive compartmented information. Quote Attachment B states that the property to be seized by agents includes "all physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime or other items illegally possessed" in violation of 18 USC 793, a statute under the Espionage Act involving the gathering, transmitting or loss of defense information; 18 USC 2071, which involves any federal government employee who, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies or destroys public records; and 18 USC 1519, obstruction of justice. Under the receipt showing property that was seized from Trump's estate, agents note they recovered 11 sets of documents of various classifications ranging from confidential to top secret and sensitive compartmented information. Quote Other items included in the receipt include one labeled "Info re: President of France," an executive grant of clemency for Trump ally Roger Stone, binders of photos, a "potential presidential record" and a leather-bound box of documents. And in true character the GOP and republicans attack the DOJ and FBI , so much for backing the blue obviously they only support laws when they are used against other people . MTG has called for Defunding the FBI lol GOP contorts itself in defense of Trump as new FBI search details emerge - POLITICO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonF Posted August 12, 2022 Report Share Posted August 12, 2022 Now rather than listening to the Bull crap put out by Trump himself and right wing propaganda sites try reading the actual warrant and list of contents taken . Personaslly Im shocked trump and his lawyers didnt try to block the release or maybe they just were quick enough who knows READ: Search warrant for Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort | CNN Politics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted August 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 11 hours ago, DonF said: Its worth noting that our most prolific poster has been pointedly ignoring the updates on this subject . More false information... I haven't been ignoring the incident, there just hasn't been anything worth commenting on... Unlike you seem to be fond of I try to avoid false allegations based solely on conjecture and personal animus (Trump Derangement Syndrome), records have been seized, yes to date there have been few actual details made available to the public and no official charges, so I wait instead of making statements I may have to eat, with a side of crow later. We've already had most of this discussion previously and so far little to nothing has changed... The National Archives and Records Administration retrieved documents from former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home in February, we were told then some of the documents they recovered were classified and you were quick to comment on it then... WP: The National Archives and Records Administration last month retrieved 15 boxes of documents and other items from former president Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence because the material should have been turned over to the agency when he left the White House, Archives officials said Monday. The recovery of the boxes from Trump’s Florida resort raises new concerns about his adherence to the Presidential Records Act, which requires the preservation of memos, letters, notes, emails, faxes and other written communications related to a president’s official duties. Trump advisers deny any nefarious intent and said the boxes contained mementos, gifts, letters from world leaders and other correspondence. The items included correspondence with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, which Trump once described as “love letters,” as well as a letter left for Trump by President Barack Obama, according to two people familiar with the contents. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/07/trump-records-mar-a-lago/ Why didn't the National Archives and Records Administration personnel who previously removed boxes of documents from Trump's Mar-A-Lago residence in February, also cart off the boxes of documents the FBI just recently retrieved from this recent raid since it appears they were aware of their existence? Could it be quietly removing the documents in February wouldn't have had the same shock factor impact that a later DOJ raid would have when they serve a search warrant to repossess those documents? Also interesting is during the February document surrender Trump's lawyers were allowed to observe the removal of the boxes of documents and were able to verify what was present at Trump's Mar-A-Lago home and what was removed... During the August FBI raid Trump's lawyers were told they had to leave the premises and weren't allowed to observe or catalog what documents were present and what was removed... Business Insider: Donald Trump's attorney, Christina Bobb, said she was "not allowed" to observe FBI agents as they searched the former president's Palm Beach estate, Mar-A-Lago. She made the comments to Real America's Voice, a conservative news network, Tuesday. The FBI, however, is not under any obligation to allow attorneys to oversee a search, a retired FBI agent told Insider. FBI protocol requires agents to show a copy of the search warrant — as well as provide an itemized list of what was taken after it is finished — but it has discretion on whether to allow the attorney to be present while the search is conducted. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attorney-says-fbi-barred-her-from-overseeing-mar-a-lago-search-2022-8 The NARA had no problem allowing Trump's lawyers observe and verify while they searched and seized documents from Trump's residence in February - but the FBI, although they have the prerogative to allow Trump's lawyer to observe their seizing and cataloging of items taken from Trump's residence, refused to allow his lawyer to witness their recovery efforts. Initially the FBI demanded the Mar-A-Lago staff turn off the security cameras in Trump's residence while they searched, but Trump's lawyer informed Trump and his staff they had no legal right to make such a demand so shortly after the video feed was turned off, it was turned back on and it's reported Trump and members of his family were able to watch much (but not all) of what the FBI did... anyone want to bet against a "surprise" discovery of a document(s) that wasn't specifically listed on the itemized list of documents seized by the FBI that just happens to be discovered and presented as "evidence" against former president Trump? Of course that's little more than conjecture at this point, but for the most part this is the same DOJ that on multiple occasions were tasked to investigate Donald Trump while he was campaigning to become the 45th President of the United States during the Obama administration and several times after Trump was elected president, the same FBI who had to reassign two of it's investigators after it revealed that back and forth correspondence between them made comments unfavorable to president Trump during the investigation. The same FBI that had a supervisor change the wording of the Clinton findings about her emails delegating the finding Clinton was "negligent" and substituting the phrase "extremely careless" when it was discovered Clinton was also improperly handling classified and secret information, the same FBI that had a director who allegedly drafted a statement clearing Hillary Clinton of any wrong doing even before the investigation on emails and use of a private server was completed. And what I said back then still applies... On 2/11/2022 at 2:27 AM, Don said: I do find it interesting however given how the same people who put so much effort into defending, explaining and outright dismissing the Hillary Clinton's "private email server" issue, the mishandling, destruction and misappropriation of records, documents and classified communiques, along with the the intentional destruction of equipment used for some of those communications now suddenly seem to think not properly preserving and handling records and documents is suddenly a very big deal. But I said it when we were discussing Clinton and still believe it now that we're talking about Trump, no one is exempt from the law. If a crime has been committed I think the guilty party should be held accountable... On 8/9/2022 at 11:05 AM, DonF said: you failed on your attempt to accuse Hillary and no charges were filed because it was all bull crap she was not guilty of any crime and no evidence was found that supported charging her with any crime I've already pointed out you falsely claimed Clinton was not guilty of any crime even though we have irrefutable evidence from the DOJ's Inspector General's audit that Clinton broke no fewer than four laws pertaining to the proper handling and storing of government and classified material... On 8/9/2022 at 3:11 PM, Don said: According to the Department of Justice's final Inspector General Audit Hillary Clinton was guilty of violating at least four laws and specifications relating to the receiving, transmission and retention of official government documents by wiping/destroying equipment used to convey and retain said documents, You falsely claim there was no evidence even though we have multiple reports a member of the FBI investigative team changed the verbiage on a summitted report stating Clinton was "negligent" which would have been a criminal offense to "extremely careless" which would clear former Secretary of State Clinton from any chance of criminal prosecution for violating Title 18 regarding the proper handling and transference of classified and government documents... You seem to be almost giddy with the report of the FBI raid on Trump's Florida residence, just like you appeared all tingly with the stories about the Mueller Russia Collusion and Obstruction investigation which now nearly two years after Donald Trump left office still hasn't produced any criminal charges... and the Ukraine Quid-Pro-Quo phone conversation where even the Ukrainian president himself stated he never felt pressure from former president Trump to do anything in regards to their conversation and you completely ignore Joe Biden's very public admittance of Quid-Pro-Quo when he said he threatened to withhold a billion dollars of aid to Ukraine during the Obama administration if a prosecutor investigating the energy company his son worked for wasn't fired... Yeah I'm keeping abreast of the investigation, but unlike you seem to be fond of doing, I'd rather wait for actual facts and official statements as opposed to pathetically politically partisan memes and not quite accurate statements... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted August 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 10 hours ago, DonF said: Now rather than listening to the Bull crap put out by Trump himself and right wing propaganda sites try reading the actual warrant and list of contents taken . Personaslly Im shocked trump and his lawyers didnt try to block the release or maybe they just were quick enough who knows READ: Search warrant for Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort | CNN Politics I've read the warrant and am aware of the things the FBI stated they sought to discover... What I haven't read is any official statement about what was actually discovered and what if any charges can be brought based on any discovery. Perhaps Trump's lawyers didn't attempt to block the release of the text of the warrant because when the list of what was actually seized and what if any repercussions might be pending is made public, we'll discover if this is the kind of big deal so many in from the left is trying to hype it up to be... or just another Mueller type of investigation with lots of noise and speculation - but in the end produces little substance and no criminal charges because of more faulty and fabricated information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonF Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 nothing worth commenting on trumps whining about the raid and his verbal attack on law enforcement , his false claims which lead to one of his moronic followers attempting to take over an FBI office . More false claims concerning the warrant and contents taken . the GOP also making baseless comments concerning the FBI and DOJ then of course we have the Release of the warrant which trump claimed he hadnt seen . but your last post explained why you hadnt bothered to post , you believe its some great conspiracy by the left , No its about holding a criminal accountable. The Irony is that trump signed the law making it a felony and increasing the prison time . which if it were a democrat rather than your orange anus youd have jumped on with great zeal , even better were it a black or female democrat . you would have already posted three pages worth of comments if it were AOC or Nancy Pelosi But just as you have pointedly ignored the Jan 6th hearings and their testimony you ignore this and trumps NYC testimony " I take the 5th" which is actually an admission that if he spoke he would incriminate himself in the crimes. You basically tried to ignore his defrauding of students with trump university So the reality is you refuse to acknowledge the possibility of his criminal activity . last I checked Espionage was a very serious crime , but it seems you dont feel its worthy of comment . we also have the fact that these document were subpoenaed months ago and had they been returned this search may not have occurred but trump as usual considers himself above the law , an entitled little rich boy . Why shouldnt he when he has minions like yourself who will excuse any of his crimes I find it funny you bring up hillary claiming she broke the law while you have often claimed trump didnt because he wasnt convicted , well hillary was never charged either yet you claim her guilt , note she sat through 11 hour of questioning under oath with out the need to plead the 5th to every question . trumps lawyers didnt fight the release because Garland filed to have it released and to fight its release would have proven trump the liar that he is even more . As for your claims on the Meuller report which the conclusion wasnt that trump was innocent but that he couldnt be charged with the crimes while he was a sitting president , Meuller went on to say that once he left office that could change. One of those details you tend to ignore in your blind cult faith as shown by your claims of fabricated evidence. Most of trumps crimes have been confirmed by his own words on video the very fact you have to try to inject Hillary in a lame attempt to distract from the crimes at hand are a testament to how little defense you are able to muster. You and I both know theres nothing false about my statement of you pointedly ignoring this thread and others that dont support your cult leader Yes you started the thread only because you knew full well Id have called you out if you hadnt , but then true to form you ignored it hoping it would fade quickly . Its strange a former president stealing classified documents isnt worthy of your time but you can spend pages on protests against killing unarmed blacks claiming they are all a bad thing. Are you sure its not the real possibility that Garland has a near perfect track record on convictions , that he doesnt screw up, or go after someone until he has evidence to prosecute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonF Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 Never mind Don I found your problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted August 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 1 hour ago, DonF said: I find it funny you bring up hillary claiming she broke the law while you have often claimed trump didnt because he wasnt convicted , well hillary was never charged either yet you claim her guilt Again it seems you just can't help yourself when it comes to posting false statements even when presented with clear actual facts showing your statement to be false... Like when you state falsely I'm the one claiming Hillary Clinton broke the law. Point of fact it was the DOJ's Inspector General's report that said Clinton broke multiple laws in regard to her handling and disposing of documents and platforms containing government documents... Another point of fact is just like Clinton, to date former president Donald Trump has not been criminally charged, yet as you continue to defend Clinton based on the lack of criminals charges you attempt to condemn Trump and pronounce him guilty... which more than anything clearly shows the TDS inspired partisan nature of your condemnation. Clinton being guilty of violating Title 18 of the U.S. code, that's just not some pathetic partisan hatchet job against a female or a Democrat without any documented evidence to back it up , it's just a simple irrefutable statement of documented fact. On 2/11/2022 at 1:17 PM, Don said: According to the Department of Justice's final Inspector General Audit Hillary Clinton was guilty of violating at least four laws and specifications relating to the receiving, transmission and retention of official government documents by wiping/destroying equipment used to convey and retain said documents, and much thanks to her and her staff's actions, it is now a violation of federal the Federal Records Act for federal government employees to use "private" or non government servers when conducting even unofficial government business. NBC: Clinton Broke Federal Rules With Email Server, Audit Finds She should have surrendered all emails dealing with State Department issues, the audit found. It is a violation of the Federal Record Act for federal government employees cannot destroy or remove relevant records. (yes that would apply to Trump too) It it a violation of the FOIA to make government records inaccessible by the individual those records pertain to without official cause. It is a violation of NARA regulations dictate how records should be created and maintained. They stress that materials must be maintained "by the agency," that they should be "readily found" and that the records must "make possible a proper scrutiny by the Congress." Clinton was guilty of violating Section 1924 of Title 18 of the U.S. Crimes and Criminal Procedure Code. At issue were four separate sections of federal law: the Federal Records Act, the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), the National Archives and Records Administration's (NARA) regulations and Section 1924 of Title 18 of the U.S. Crimes and Criminal Procedure Code. "Title 18 Section 793 of federal law regarding the Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information states, “Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer — shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.” The difference between the Hillary Clinton document issue and the Donald Trump document issue seems to be in Clinton's case former FBI director James Comey's office ordered the wording on the official investigation report changed replacing the charge of the former secretary of State of having been “grossly negligent” in handling classified information to “extremely careless” when the report was presented to the public. The change is significant, since federal law states that gross negligence in handling the nation’s intelligence can be punished criminally with prison time or fines. Comey also never officially declared Hillary Clinton innocent of 'gross negligence'... what he said before the official Congressional investigation is: “I know the Department of Justice, I know no reasonable prosecutor would bring this case. I know a lot of my former friends are out there saying they would. I wonder where they were in the last 40 years, because I’d like to see the cases they brought on gross negligence. Nobody would, nobody did,” “Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case,” **video of Comey's statement before Congress is available on YouTube- Since a number of the Clinton documents and equipment which could have been used as evidence against her for any official charges had been "wiped", "destroyed" or otherwise made unavailable for the prosecution's use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonF Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 don you are the one that has said many many times they are innocent until convicted Make up your mind No charges were filed because there was no intent and fact is there was no crime until after the fact otherwise Rice and Powel would have been charged as well for the same crime . the entire reason trump signed the law that is now biting him in the ass is that he thought he could make it retro active to nail hillary , which makes this even better Though I do have to love your "Well Hillary did it so its ok " defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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